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A Mandate For Health Insurance ?

Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:01 AM EST
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Why is The Health Care Act being argued before SCOTUS?  This is unbelievable.  Working people should be insured just in case.  My oldest daughter and son-in-law work jobs that together pay over $100,000 a year.  Neither my son-in-law nor my daughter had HealthCare Insurance through their employer's.  My daughter's reason was " Mama I feed your grand kids healthy foods just like you did me".  She told me, They don't ever get sick.  Needless to say, I almost made the Guinness Book of World Records.  She almost made Me have a baby!  I told her it was better to be safe than sorry.  I refuse to let up, so they finally had Hospitalization taken from their payroll checks.

Each person working a job should pay at least the minimum for hospitalization.  If both husband and wife have low paying jobs, the two insurances should off-set any hospital expenses.

This guy, Paul Clement, argues that this will not stop at making you purchase insurance.  He believes that at anytime the government will require all people with high paying jobs to purchase a car in order to give the economy a boost.  This is absurd.

Without early detection, you will have people dying from what would have been treatable diseases.  They refuse to see a doctor because, They are afraid of being hound by the hospital for failure to pay their bills.  That is why it is imparative each working person have Health Insurance.

The Health Insurance Act provides me with one less worry, because my two college aged children will remain on my Health Insurance until age 27.  Thank GOD for that and President Obama.

 Then there are people in the market who are searching for a job.  Finding a job will be one less headache even if they have an existing medical condition. They are still qualified under the Health Care Act to purchase Health Insurance. 

It is worthwhile to have insurance, if nothing more than to get your yearly physical.

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Phyllis-3324111

Health care for all.

  • 5 votes
#1 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Why is The Health Care Act being argued before SCOTUS?

because it is unconstitutional...


This is unbelievable.

believe it :)


ObamaCare - RIP - June 2012

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:16 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Health care for all.


am all for single payer...

but a mandate, by the feds, to buy a thing?

nope.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:44 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

putting all other arguments aside about constitutionality, limits on feds powers, yadda yadda....

how is it..

the left is against evil corporate influence in politics..

but for a law, the enslaves one for life, to same said evil insurance corporations..

which by default gives those evil insurance companies more power and more influence in DC..

seriously.. the contradiction there just boggles the mind....

to date not one rational explanation for that...

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:50 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

4 starters U must realize the HealthCare is 4 the benefit of the subscriber and their family, not the insurance companies.

Then your dying 2 soon doesn't harm the government or the corporations. It helps the Funeral Homes turn their money over @ a rapid pace. I'm glad U don't have 2 lease burial plots.

If Congress wasn't so money greedy, the insurance companies wouldn't have any power.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:22 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays


4 starters U must realize the HealthCare is 4 the benefit of the subscriber and their family, not the insurance companies.

what ever.... the feds do not have the power to force people to buy things...

and in the end it does benefit the insurance companies.... greatly

hell I would love for the feds to mandate every american become my customer for life... to benefit my customers of course... LOL

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:37 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Oh Kap'em U R laughing but, that is being very selfish. U need 2 behave yourself, accept the mandate 4 HealthCare & vote democrat. It will do U a world of good.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:47 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

accept the mandate 4 HealthCare & vote democrat.


not a chance in hell...


Cheers :)



  • 5 votes
#1.7 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:23 PM EST
Man of Knowledge

CaptainObviousSays can't support his position with a legal argument.

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:30 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

CaptainObviousSays can't support his position with a legal argument.

LOL actually I can but this seeder obviously has no concern for the law

. in other words...

your making assumptions...

and yanno how that goes...

wanna debate the constitution? bring it on...

just answer this one question...

why would you think obamacare is constitutional????

or to be more direct.... where in the constitution does it specifically give the feds the power to force people to buy things from another individual?? (tax,fine people for not engaging in commerce)

after a remark like yours I would hope you can go to the exact claus or amendment that favors your opinion and reference it as such.... I will be waiting with bells on....

trust me I will reply.... so, take your time, choose your words carefully :)

  • 7 votes
#1.9 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:36 PM EST
bluearcher

because it is unconstitutional...

No it isn't. If a state can mandate that an automobile owner\driver must have insurance coverage...the same can be mandated on a federal level.

Additionally, RomneyCare was never deemed unconstitutional.

People who do not like the Affordable Health Care Act are those that either do not understand it or have not been dropped by their insurance provider...yet.

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 7:17 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Now, this should be the End of this Story. I missed the bull's eye on this 1, but bluearcher U nailed this 1!!!

  • 2 votes
#1.11 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 10:28 PM EST
I'm Ringo

No it isn't.

If true, then you would of course be able to cite the part of the Constitution granting that authority

People who do not like the Affordable Health Care Act are those that either do not understand it or have not been dropped by their insurance provider...yet.

People that like it are those that either do not understand it or lack any sense of personal responsibility and respect for others

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST
Man of Knowledge

If true, then you would of course be able to cite the part of the Constitution granting that authority

Anyone following this case knows the argument for constitutionality comes from Section 8 of he Constitutiion - Powers of Congress.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Comment #6 lays out the case pretty persuasively.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 11:22 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Anyone following this case knows the argument for constitutionality comes from Section 8 of he Constitutiion - Powers of Congress.

Which would mean that there is no argument for it.

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 11:42 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Man of knowledge, that was on point!!!

Ringo, the entire constitution is full of mandates! Laws ,fees, & taxes being imposed on the people, big government needs 2 let me run my own life.

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:31 AM EST
northern girl

big government needs 2 let me run my own life.

Yet you want health insurance to be mandated. Isnt that a little hypocritical?

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:54 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I only said that as a joke. Sorry U didn't get it. I Want the mandate 4 Affordable HealthCare. U have a very short memory.

I am the Author of this Article, that looks like got a few people fired up. I don't want anybody 2 have a nervous break down over this. Then U would need ObamaCare.

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 6:22 AM EST
I'm Ringo

I only said that as a joke. Sorry U didn't get it

If you only say that as a joke, then you demonstrate that you're the one that 'doesn't get it'

  • 3 votes
#1.18 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 7:51 AM EST
Man of Knowledge

I'm Ringo

Which would mean that there is no argument for it.

What does that mean? I'm interested in an argument refuting the facts I've laid out in detail with specificity. How about it?

  • 2 votes
#1.19 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 8:36 AM EST
I'm Ringo

The fact that nothing in the Constitution grants Congress that power. Mandating private business transactions=> not in there.

If you disagree, then feel free to cite a part of the Constitution granting that authority

  • 3 votes
#1.20 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 9:00 AM EST
Man of Knowledge

I already did.

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

  • 2 votes
#1.21 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:25 AM EST
I'm Ringo

No, you didn't. Maybe if you actually read what you've quoted, then you will no longer be confused.

  • 2 votes
#1.22 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:11 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

No it isn't. If a state can mandate that an automobile owner\driver must have insurance coverage...the same can be mandated on a federal level.

Additionally, RomneyCare was never deemed unconstitutional.

ummmmmmm.. only in liberal land.....

the feds do not have the same powers as the states....

but with no child left behind I am not surprised liberals do not get this...

June is going to be hilarious :P

  • 4 votes
#1.23 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:12 AM EST
ReligiousWrong

If a state can mandate that an automobile owner\driver must have insurance coverage...

A tired argument - you KNOW this isn't the same thing.

  • 4 votes
#1.24 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:02 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

What R U going 2 do when SCOTUS can't find The Most Affordable HealthCare Act in History unconstitutional?

What will U say, when SCOTUS rule this case in accordance with the many Physicians & 4 the Welfare of the citizens of the United States of America?

  • 3 votes
#1.25 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:09 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

It's hard 2 take U seriously when U write like this.

  • 5 votes
#1.26 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:13 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Oh, I'm serious. Believe it!

  • 2 votes
#1.27 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 2:31 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Oh, I'm serious. Believe it!


you may be serious... but your still wrong...

the fact you said this...


Why is The Health Care Act being argued before SCOTUS? This is unbelievable.


proves you simply have no clue... most of us knew this was going to the supreme court before it was even signed into law... but you seem shocked.... LOL


yes you may be serious... but thinking that law will survive the supreme court because "some" doctors like it only proves your not ready for a debate on the constitution...


so.. enjoy obamacare while you can,, as it is not long for this world.


your dismissed.


Cheers :)



  • 5 votes
#1.28 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 8:23 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

U know why I said that Kap'em because it is a waste of tax payer's money. The fact is, & I know it hurts your little feelings 2 hear this, the Affordable HealthCare Act will continue 2 be law because of the Surpreme Court's ruling.

Because it's in the best interest of the country & the constitution.

  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:33 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays


The fact is, & I know it hurts your little feelings 2 hear this, the Affordable HealthCare Act will continue 2 be law because of the Surpreme Court's ruling.

LOL

the fact is... your delusional.

meet ya back in here in june k?

Cheers :)

  • 4 votes
#1.30 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:56 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Cheers :)

  • 2 votes
#1.31 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 12:03 AM EST
Reply
girlrey3000

Has it ever occurred toyou that those people who spoke of "death panels" i.e. Republicans may be the ones heading it up? Insurance is esssential in this day in age and people should not have to be tied to a job to have it.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:37 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I agree 100%.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:11 PM EST
Reply
I'm Ringo

This is absurd

What, your entire argument that the federal government should just ignore the Constitution when making law? I agree: absurd

  • 5 votes
#3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:35 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

What part of the constitution says U don't need health insurance?

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:24 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Show me the part granting authority to mandate commerce.

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:32 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

As soon as U show me where the Constitution says, U R not responsible 4 your own Health.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:39 PM EST
I'm Ringo

I'm sorry, but it doesn't appear that you understand the concept of the Constitution.

  • 4 votes
#3.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:53 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I'm sorry but, U understand the concept of paying 4 your own Health Insurance.

  • 2 votes
#3.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:57 PM EST
I'm Ringo

I understand that for is a word, not a number. I understand that you are unable to back your desire with anything in the Constitution due to the fact that there is no such thing in it.

  • 4 votes
#3.6 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:07 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Is thou shall not use the LORD's name in Vain in the Constitution?

  • 2 votes
#3.7 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:12 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Wow, you sure are quick to derail. So you admit your mistake?

  • 4 votes
#3.8 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:15 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

If I make a mistake, I will say "I made a mistake".

Now, why don't U admit, U ( I'm Ringo ) R responsible 4 paying 4 your own insurance.

  • 1 vote
#3.9 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:23 PM EST
I'm Ringo

I made a mistake

Well, at least you admit it now.

Don't worry, by first grade they should cover the difference between for and four

  • 4 votes
#3.10 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:26 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111


If U were mature enough, U would know that paying 4 your own Hospitalization is not a crime.

  • 2 votes
#3.11 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:30 PM EST
I'm Ringo

So you're even confused about your own topic. It had nothing to do with being responsible. You support ignoring the Constitution.

If you were mature, then you wouldn't be trying to imitate a young child.

  • 4 votes
#3.12 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:38 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

What does being an innocent child have 2 do with a working person paying 4 their HealthCare described by the HealthCare Act.

  • 2 votes
#3.13 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:43 PM EST
I'm Ringo

No, it has to do with grown adults pretending they're 8, because they think it's cool for some reason.

Why are you applauding unconstitutional mandates at the expense of personal responsibility?

  • 4 votes
#3.14 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:47 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Who in Sam Hill told U that a HealthCare mandate is un-constitutional.

  • 2 votes
#3.15 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:51 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Actually, the fact that no such authority is granted in the Constitution makes it unconstitutional. I cannot help but notice that you're unable to contradict this.

  • 4 votes
#3.16 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:55 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Let me get this straight, if it's not in the Constitution it's un-constitutional. So, taking money from my pay-check 4 the Army, AirForce, Navy & Marines is unConstitutional.

  • 2 votes
#3.17 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:03 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Sounds more than anything else like you need to READ the Constitution.

Quick question, if you don't think not being in the Constitution makes a law unconstitutional, then just what do you think unconstitutional means?

  • 4 votes
#3.18 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:06 PM EST
northern girl

Phyllis

A) This is not a text message. It is supposed to be an article. If you want people to take you seriously, please communicate in a way that resembles proper English

B) Typing in all bold is annoying and comes across as yelling.

C) Personal insults will do nothing to further your cause and will in fact make everything else you have to say meaningless (see#3.11)

D) Take Ringo's advice and learn a little something about the Constitution. Then come back and talk about what is and isnt Constitutional.

Thank you in advance.

  • 4 votes
#3.19 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:33 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Northern gal,

A. I was born 2 2 Parents & U R not 1 of them.

B. Typing in bold italic is my signature post & all caps is yelling. FYI

C. # 3.11 That was an A & B conversation & I suggest U C your way out.

D. U take Ringo's advice & learn a little something about the Constitution. & then U comeback & comment on the Article " A Mandate For Health Insurance?

Apology accepted, in Advance.

  • 2 votes
#3.20 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:27 PM EST
I'm Ringo

I was born 2 2 Parents & U R not 1 of them.

Interesting that you complain about someone else for 'trying to be your parent'.....while simultaneously arguing that you should get to be a parent for every American

That was an A & B conversation& I suggest U C your way out

So you've been imitating a pre-teen, and now decided to move it even younger. When you talk like a six year old, you can expect people to place about that level of importance in what you say

As for the Constitution....I have five bucks that says northern girl knows in which century it was written.

  • 4 votes
#3.21 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:51 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Who told U I didn't know. That's 2 easy give me something hard. Say 4 instance I didn't know. Don't U know I would have sense enough 2 look it up B4 I lost the bet.

Anyway the subject is about HealthCare. Answer that.

  • 2 votes
#3.22 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:17 PM EST
I'm Ringo

YOU let it known that you didn't know. I don't know why you didn't look it up....or learn it in grade school.

Anyway the subject is about HealthCare

Oh, you mean it doesn't have anything to do with the Bible like you tried to twist it into? You were the only person confused about the topic.

Answer that

I've answered every question you've asked me on the subject. You have yet to do the same

  • 3 votes
#3.23 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 12:36 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Okay, here's the deal. Let's pretend I know not 1 thing about the Constitution, expect 2 spell it. & let's agree U know nothing about the Holy Bible. Take the Holy Bible & the Constitution out the equation.

Deal with the subject of working people paying 4 their own HealthCare Insurance. Let's debate this mandate 4 health care issue. I will write an Article on the Constitution. Then we can argue that. Deal.

  • 2 votes
#3.24 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:14 AM EST
I'm Ringo

Let's pretend I know not 1 thing about the Constitution, expect 2 spell it. & let's agree U know nothing about the Holy Bible.

The minor issue being that the first one seems to be very nearly true.

Deal with the subject of working people paying 4 their own HealthCare Insurance.

That's not the subject. The subject YOU brought up was forcing other people to purchase insurance. Getting health insurance is something I support. Mandating that people purchase it has neither my backing nor any support in the Constitution.

Let's debate this mandate 4 health care issue. I will write an Article on the Constitution.

I break it down into two basic issues: why we shouldn't have it, and why the current law does not allow for it. You're trying to completely toss one half of the discussion out.

  • 3 votes
#3.25 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:22 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Ringo,

I probably know more about the Constitution than do U.

U mean like forcing people 2 drive the speed limit, when U just bought a car with 140 mph on the dash-board. U mean like allowing people 2 have liquor license 2 sell liquor 2 drunk folk that kill other innocent human beings. U mean like making U feed & care 4 your children or face jail time 4 negligence. U mean like forcing U 2 send your kids 2 school until they R 17 or face a fine & or jail time.

The Constitution is a document written by men who @ the time did not have all the answers. It was impossible 4 them 2 cover all the bases. They couldn't see into the Future. Therefore, there R amendments 2 This dream 4 America. & might I add, it was meant 2 have additions.

As for your breakdown, I write my opinion of an Article. I am very conscientious of being & living right. I do my very best 2 say what JESUS would say. Then & only then is my opinion worth anything.

  • 2 votes
#3.26 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 8:44 AM EST
I'm Ringo

I probably know more about the Constitution than do U

It's already been established that you know less than I did in elementary school.

There IS an amendment process. Since no such amendment has been made, it remains unconstitutional.

Jesus has nothing to do with it. He never said anything in support of government mandated health insurance, and he has not been appointed or elected to any government post in the United States.

  • 3 votes
#3.27 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 11:20 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Ringo grow-Up. Common sense should have tap U on the shoulder & told U, if I can spell Constitution U must know I pass Grade School. Duh!!!

A law has been made now adhere 2 it or else pay the price.

1st JESUS is the King of KING's & Lord of LORD'S over any Government. & please don't forget that.

  • 2 votes
#3.28 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:31 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Ringo grow-Up. Common sense should have tap U on the shoulder & told U, if I can spell Constitution U must know I pass Grade School. Duh!!!

From reading this, it isn't at all clear that you've completed grade school.

A law has been made now adhere 2 it or else pay the price.

The Constitution is the base of American law, and any law that violates it is not law at all.

1st JESUS is the King of KING's & Lord of LORD'S over any Government. & please don't forget that.

A guy that died nearly two millenia ago, was never in American politics, and never even held American citizenship....he's not over my Constitution.

  • 3 votes
#3.29 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 3:20 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Why do U continue 2 bring up some old document that will not effect the SCOTUS ruling 4 or against the Health Care Act?

JESUS rose from the Dead over 2,000 years ago & stands 2 day @ the right hand of power.

The Constitution U refer 2 is based on some old Roman decree. If America cease 2 Amend this old document, we will end up like Rome, splitting into 4 different Americas'.

Hey, what about that Pay 4 I'm Ringo's HealthCare.

  • 2 votes
#3.30 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 5:19 PM EST
northern girl

Every ruling the SCOTUS gives is based on the Constitution. What part of that dont you get?!?! Did you miss 5th grade history class and/or high school civics? Health Care Reform will be ruled unconstitutional. There is nothing in the Constitution that says every man, woman, and child must buy a service from a private industry OR a public industry. Once the individual mandate is axed, the entire HCR falls apart.

  • 3 votes
#3.31 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 5:36 PM EST
Man of Knowledge

See comment number 6.

  • 1 vote
#3.32 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 5:51 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Oh yeah, why bring up the Constitution when discussing the Supreme Court......
The only possible reason to ask that is if you aren't familiar with the concept of the Supreme Court.

  • 3 votes
#3.33 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 7:05 PM EST
I'm Ringo

As for Jesus rising from the dead over 2000 years ago, I'm pretty sure that if you actually flip through a Bible sometime, you will see that there is no mention of him ever dying as a child

  • 3 votes
#3.34 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 7:10 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Northern girl,

In The Con-sti-tu-tion where is the 1st thru the 10th Commandment? That's what I thought. Those old pieces of paper don't mount up 2 a hill of beans in a Court of Law. U steal. U go 2 jail. U kill. U go 2 jail. U start a cult. Guess what? U just might go 2 jail. That is what our Honor System is based on. The Bible & common sense

  • 2 votes
#3.35 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 10:23 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Ringo,

What R U talking about? JESUS died & rose @ age 33. U need 2 read the Bible. That's what your problem is U've been flipping thru the Bible. Take time 2 read it.

Now, how about accepting & embracing the HealthCare Act? That is the subject that U R dodging.

  • 2 votes
#3.36 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 10:32 PM EST
I'm Ringo

U need 2 read the Bible

Interesting that I'm not even Christian, but I know it better than you. YOU claimed that Jesus died over two thousand years ago (when he was either a child or not yet born depending on how much over you mean).

Now, how about accepting & embracing the HealthCare Act?

No can do. See, I A) respect the rights of others to make their own decisions, B) favor personal responsibility, and C) took an oath to that basis of American law that you don't care about. Any one of those three would prevent a person from being able to support that such a law.

That is the subject that U R dodging

So now you even confuse yourself with others, how embarrassing. You tried to avoid the subject, with ramblings about your religion and even trying to tell me to leave part of the subject out of it.

Just look at 3.35: you rant and ramble, but are unable to come up with any actual response

  • 4 votes
#3.37 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 10:51 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Now, how about accepting & embracing the HealthCare Act? That is the subject that U R dodging.



only 20% of americas population believes the mandate to be constitutional..... so 80% think there is no way in hell they will embrace obamacare...

the law is unconstitutional... that is the fact your dodging, but in the end irrelevant...


ObamaCare will die in june :)

  • 4 votes
#3.38 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:43 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Ringo, the Bible teaches people who have actually read it that JESUS was about 33 years old when HE died. 3 days later HE rose. It never gave the date of HIS birth.

I'm not confused U2 R.

Kap'em R U insinuating that 80% of the population has read the Constitution thru & thru?

This is not dodge ball, Ringo. Give ObamaCare your support.

  • 2 votes
#3.39 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:06 PM EST
I'm Ringo

It never gave the date of HIS birth

It does, however, give other chronological information. Do you dispute Pilate's role? For your claim that Jesus died before 12 AD to be true, then Pilate could not have been involved, since he didn't obtain that position until over a decade later.

As much as you like to derail to talk about your religion, you don't seem to know that much about that religion

Give ObamaCare your support

I cannot do that....I have standards

  • 3 votes
#3.40 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 10:54 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Ringo,

What does 12AD have 2 do with JESUS being crucified around 33 years old? The Bible did not count days according 2 the Roman Calendar. The Jews had their own calendars. They had 1 4 HolyDays & 1 2 keep up with BirthDays & every day.

Don't waller down there in your standards. Wake up & Rise 2 the occasion. Vote Obama/Biden ~~ 2012 ~~

And support the HealthCare Act

  • 2 votes
#3.41 - Sat Mar 3, 2012 7:43 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays



Vote Obama/Biden ~~ 2012 ~~

And support the HealthCare Act

ummmmm nope!

simply not going to happen....

  • 5 votes
#3.42 - Sat Mar 3, 2012 8:16 PM EST
I'm Ringo

You said over 2,000 years, which would mean before 12 AD. I didn't realize you'd have any problem with that math.

Don't waller down there in your standards

Interesting words coming from someone that doesn't have any standards.

Rise 2 the occasion

By rise you must mean get high, because no intelligent, responsible, respectful person could ever do that while in their right mind.

I'll have to turn you down, I don't even get drunk any more.

  • 2 votes
#3.43 - Sat Mar 3, 2012 9:22 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Let me get this straight. R U trying 2 say, U have been sober on all your posts? Well, R U taking your Meds? I didn't think so! Uh, that's all the more reason 4 U2 B4 President Obama's Affordable HealthCare.

  • 3 votes
#3.44 - Sat Mar 3, 2012 10:41 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Oh. Yeah, don't scratch your head over those 2000 years. JESUS is a live today! @ this very minute & every minute!

  • 2 votes
#3.45 - Sat Mar 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST
I'm Ringo

I didn't think

If you'd have left it at that, you would have finally made a sensible post.

  • 3 votes
#3.46 - Sat Mar 3, 2012 11:47 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I thought it was a reasonable request. Is it 2 much 2 ask U2 just think about asking every working person 2 pay 4 their own HealthCare.

  • 2 votes
#3.47 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST
I'm Ringo

That has nothing to do with mandating action. Is it too much to ask for you to actually discuss the subject?

  • 4 votes
#3.48 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 2:25 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Is it too much to ask for you to actually discuss the subject?

but that would require actually knowing what is being talked about....

this seeder obviously has no clue....

  • 4 votes
#3.49 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 6:24 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Read post #1.10. That shut the book on this mandate case. I did notice, U didn't have a response 4 what was directed @ U2!!!

Read post #1.10

  • 2 votes
#3.50 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 10:39 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays


Read post #1.10. That shut the book on this mandate case.

actually that post is ridiculous and shows that person does not understand the feds powers v the states powers either....

there is a reason car insurance is not a federal law... and that reason is states have that power.. the feds do not.

post #1.23 burnt the book that you think got shut

read the tenth amendment... I know you will not bother looking for it....

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

when they pass an amendment eliminating the tenth.... ya might just have a winner argument... but not until then...

BTW the power to "regulate" commerce is not the same as forcing commerce to exist - so.. it can then be regulated...

it is like some people do not even have a dictionary

  • 5 votes
#3.51 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:19 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

That's not true! Car insurance is an extension of health & life insurance & that helps the State. If U have an accident without Car insurance or HealthCare & U have 2B AirLifted or transported by Ambulance 2 the Hospital.

All the medical bills fall on the State in the event that person cannot pay.

  • 2 votes
#3.52 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:20 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

All the medical bills fall on the State in the event that person cannot pay.

Untrue. Hospitals pay it and/or chock it up to charity. Do you really think that the hospitals just get to send the state a bill for their losses every year?

  • 3 votes
#3.53 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:27 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I thought U knew what wrong was.

The Us Government & State Government allocate a set sum of money each fiscal budget year 4 Medical Expenses, otherwise; the Hospitals will go belly up!

  • 3 votes
#3.54 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 2:25 PM EST
Man of Knowledge

Untrue. Hospitals pay it and/or chock it up to charity. Do you really think that the hospitals just get to send the state a bill for their losses every year?

Not true, they write off the loss as bad debt and jack up their prices to everyone else to make up for it. Uncompensated health care adds $1000 to every health insurance annual premium and amounts to more than $40 billion a year. We all pay for it.

  • 1 vote
#3.55 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 4:56 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Man of Knowledge,

That is true, except a State Hospital cannot bear the burden in lost revenues without the Governments help. Whenever they have a right-off it is a tax right-off, but they have overhead obligations through out the year.

  • 3 votes
#3.56 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:45 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

That is true, except a State Hospital cannot bear the burden in lost revenues without the Governments help.

simply unbelievable...

you have a seriously distorted view of how things work... seriously,

loss are written off against profits exactly like any other business...





  • 3 votes
#3.57 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 8:32 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays


I probably know more about the Constitution than do U.

I seriously doubt this...

personally.... I aced civics.. I graduated at 15, and can tell you this with the utmost sincerity... your understanding of the constitution is almost non-existent.

need proof? read your own post...


Why do U continue 2 bring up some old document that will not effect the SCOTUS ruling 4 or against the Health Care Act?

seriously... that is just laughable.

  • 5 votes
#3.58 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 8:46 PM EST
Man of Knowledge

loss are written off against profits exactly like any other business...

Written off against profits = overhead cost = calculated into prices. Everyone else pays for the uninsured.

  • 1 vote
#3.59 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 9:42 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

That's what it bills down to.

  • 3 votes
#3.60 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:40 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

1st of all U R not talking 2 a dummy. This girl was an A sometimes B student. 2nd - all my children R Gifted & could have graduated early. And so is my Husband, Gifted. My Son is A borderline Genius. Now!

Kap'em U mean 2 tell me, all U have is Book sense. That will just get U ah Job!

U need common sense 2 take U through life. No wonder U're lost.

I get a feeling U have a problem with Authoritative Figures. U can't take orders from Pre-si-dent Barack Obama. Yeah! That's what it is. Even @ the expense of the healthless. Shame on U. :(

  • 3 votes
#3.61 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:59 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays


all U have is Book sense. That will just get U ah Job!

U need common sense 2 take U through life. No wonder U're lost.

actually, I have never had a job, I have only ever created jobs, have self employed my whole life, and retired at 36

when you can keep up let me know k?

  • 4 votes
#3.62 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:59 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Worked a few jobs. Self Employed since 1994. U do the Math.

  • 3 votes
#3.63 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 12:12 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Worked a few jobs. Self Employed since 1994. U do the Math.


ok, the math is done...



thinking 1981 comes long before 1994


what was your point here anyways?

that you are much younger than me?

Ha! that is so obvious it was not even a question....



enjoy your day I will be back after another day of surfing and sunshine at the beach.


Cheers :)


  • 3 votes
#3.64 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 7:52 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I will be back after another day of surfing & sunshine @ the beach

What R U trying 2 say? U R younger than me. My children R 35, 23 & 18.

I'm not jealous because U going beaching & sunning?

Cheers 2U :)

  • 3 votes
#3.65 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 9:29 AM EST
Reply
Phyllis-3324111

Doing anything against the Constitution makes it unConstitutional. Doing anything not in the Constitution makes it unConstitutional.

It is unConstitutional 2 pay 4 protection that is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

  • 3 votes
#4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:17 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Why do you pretend to be a child, if you don't mind me asking?

As far as the armed forces and taxes, you obviously need to read the Constitution.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:21 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Don't try 2 tie your taxes in this. Just go on & pay those. Anything that is not in the Constitution is unConstitutional. U should get all the beer U want free. Walk in & out any store with free food. I could write a book on some unConstitutional stuff.

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:29 PM EST
I'm Ringo

I could write a book on some unConstitutional stuff

You cannot even put together a coherent vine post about the subject

  • 4 votes
#4.3 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:43 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Let me clear up my last post. If it isn't unConstitutional, it is Constitutional. That's my point. Everything can't be in the Constitution. Some things R the right thing 2 do, whether explained in the Constitution or not.

  • 3 votes
#4.4 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:48 PM EST
I'm Ringo

If it isn't unConstitutional, it is Constitutional

And what we are discussing is unconstitutional.

  • 3 votes
#4.5 - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:54 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

What I just did was 2 use a bit of logic 4U. What we R discussing is the HealthCare Act. The health care law says, if U work U will pay 4 Your Own Hospitalization. That is just 1 of many laws we have. U know 2 drive the speed limit. Don't U?

  • 3 votes
#4.6 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:02 AM EST
I'm Ringo

What I just did was 2 use a bit of logic 4U.

What you've been doing is rambling incoherently.

That's okay, you've already admitted that you made a mistake and that any such mandate is unconstitutional.

  • 4 votes
#4.7 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:08 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I haven't admitted 2 any such thing. U want 2 become a weight on everybody's back by having them pay 4 your HealthCare.

Grow up! I'm glad we have a grown-up President. I will take this Health Care subject up with U @ another time. Maybe by then, U will know 2 pay your own way. GoodNite.

  • 3 votes
#4.8 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:18 AM EST
I'm Ringo

Anything that is not in the Constitution is unConstitutional.

I haven't admitted 2 any such thing.

I'm sorry your memory is so short.

U want 2 become a weight on everybody's back by having them pay 4 your HealthCare.

Wrong. You see, unlike you, I believe in personal responsibility.

Grow up!

Yes, I agree that you should. Posting like a child that just figured out how to text should embarrass you

I will take this Health Care subject up with U @ another time. Maybe by then, U will know 2 pay your own way.

  • 4 votes
#4.9 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:28 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Wrong, wrong & Wrong!

Why don't U grow-up & stay on subject. This Article is my opinion concerning those people who work 4 a living & why they should have a deduction from their pay checks 4 Health Insurance. Any responsible person with an ounce of common sense must know 2 prepare themselves 4 un-foreseen health emergencies. This is the situation. 2B responsible or forced 2 do the right thing. Make your choice.

  • 3 votes
#4.10 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:51 AM EST
I'm Ringo

Why don't U grow-up & stay on subject

I hope you were looking in the mirror as you typed that. From childish stuff like replacing words with numbers to talking about the ten commandments, the one person here that needs to grow up and stay on subject is the one you see in the mirror.

2B responsible or

I chose responsibility. It's unfortunate that you didn't make the same choice.

  • 3 votes
#4.11 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:12 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I'm Ringo,

What is your problem? I am grown.

U choose responsible! Well, why do U have a problem with making others responsible?

I believe U want someone U know 2 lay up on the government & receive free HealthCare.

  • 3 votes
#4.12 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:20 AM EST
I'm Ringo

What is your problem?

No, I rather think you are your own problem.

I am grown

I never said anything about physically.

I have no problem with responsibility. I do take issue with those, such as yourself, that would prefer to use it's lack in others as excuse to destroy the liberty of all.

I believe

It is unfortunate that you base your beliefs on nonsense instead of observation of the world around you.

  • 3 votes
#4.13 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:31 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Where R U going with this issue. I hope U R going 2 have full assurance that I have considered others, using my family as & example. I Didn't mention in the Article , after having hospitalization 4 barely a year my grandchild fell off the top bunk-bed & broke her arm on my Watch!!! Needless 2 say, my Daughter & Son-In-Law were glad I got on their last nerve telling them about the benefits of Health Insurance.

  • 3 votes
#4.14 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:51 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

What part of the constitution says U don't need health insurance?



that is not what the constitution does... and shows you have not read it.. nor do you fully understand why it was written the way it was.


the constitution limits the feds to what is listed as their responsibility and leaves the rest to the states and the people... ( read the tenth amendment - the tenth is not a suggestion)


so.... show me where the feds have the power, under the constitution, to tell people to buy a product.... or fine them if they do not.


I will be waiting patiently :)





  • 6 votes
#4.15 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:42 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Now, what rock did U crawl from under. Kap'em, why keep bring up a 4 hundred year old document? A document that U, yourself & a few others, have drawn boundaries around. The government is here 2 stay & trust me, U would rather have a head authority over the 50 United States. Without the Federal Government, these 50 States would have fallen prey 2 different countries long ago. Together we stand & divided we will All fall. Have U ever heard of divide & conquer?

Well, let's stay together healthy & strong!!!

  • 2 votes
#4.16 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:59 AM EST
I'm Ringo

And what 400 year old document would that be?

  • 4 votes
#4.17 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:21 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays


why keep bring up a 4 hundred year old document?

because it is the law of the land... regardless if it really 400yrs old, 200yrs old. or even 1000yrs old - it is not going away... just because you do not like it.

and is all that matters in the supreme court case your talking about... DUH....

your currently stuck with the constitution regardless of your stance on it.

  • 4 votes
#4.18 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:23 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111


U & old Ringo must be a tag team. Anyway, the Constitution set the standard 4 us 2B governed by & 2 live by. It not written in stone. Call it Amendments, Improvements, Up-Dated or Whatever, The Constitution was meant to be revised.

  • 2 votes
#4.19 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:32 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

The Constitution was meant to be revised.



yes it was and is called the amendment process....


however... the supreme court will make its decision about obamacare, based on the current document.. as currently written...



got an amendment to the constitution? fine, but until it is law... obamaCare will die.


BTW with 26 state challenging obamacare in court... ya got a snowballs chance in hell of passing an amendment allowing for obamacare in any of our lifetimes.

  • 6 votes
#4.20 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:52 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

26, 27, or 50 States or the Constitution will not have any bearing on the decision process of SCOTUS. The Health Care Act will be Adjudicated according 2 the well being of America as a whole. The 26 States will fall flat on their grounds, if the Constitution is their basis 4 an Argument.

  • 3 votes
#4.21 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:04 AM EST
I'm Ringo

Well Phyllis, I'm not sure where you went to school, but you should call them up about their textbooks. Either the history texts have 'little' errors of well over a hundred years or you didn't pay all that much attention.

Yep, you can consider Captain and I as part of one big tag team called 'people that successfully completed primary school'.

  • 3 votes
#4.22 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:24 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

U know I had a feeling U & old Kap'em didn't get 2 go 2 MiddleSchool. U can always go back.

Thinking of going back, let's get back 2 this HealthCare 4 All working People. My kids had me a nervous wreck because they were going around buying everything except HealthCare. They had Insurance on their Cars, the House & their Cell Phones!!! Now, don't tell me that junk was more important than my grand kids.

The Extra $40 a pay period President Obama gave us can help pay 4 your HealthCare. That's a Darn Good Deal!

  • 5 votes
#4.23 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:18 PM EST
I'm Ringo

U know I had a feeling U & old Kap'em didn't get 2 go 2 MiddleSchool. U can always go back.

Phyllis, I'm sorry to see that trolling your own seed is not beneath your dignity.

Thinking of going back, let's get back 2 this HealthCare 4 All working People. My kids had me a nervous wreck because they were going around buying everything except HealthCare. They had Insurance on their Cars, the House & their Cell Phones!!! Now, don't tell me that junk was more important than my grand kids.

If you think they should have more personal responsibility, then you had the opportunity to try and give them a little of that when you were raising them. You were their parent. There are another over 300,000,000 Americans that were NOT their parents. Why do you want to force us to do your job?

  • 4 votes
#4.24 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:35 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Those folk or U couldn't have done a better job of raising my children. Didn't I tell U they got HealthCare Insurance. My kids still listens 2 their Parents. My kids R polished, respectful & intelligent. U ought 2 know that from talking with Me! Ha!

  • 5 votes
#4.25 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:53 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

That's my point. Everything can't be in the Constitution. Some things R the right thing 2 do,



regardless of right thing to do or not, the feds only have powers that "are" listed by the constitution... the rest of the powers are left to the states and the people...


limited federal government and expansive state government... covers everything... in the constitution and everything not in the constitution....


now all you need to do is learn the difference between the two.


  • 4 votes
#4.26 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 8:41 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Not, what is between the 2. It is what trumps the 2. The Bible & other cases judged accordingly.

  • 5 votes
#4.27 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 10:39 PM EST
I'm Ringo

Despite your wishes, the Bible has no authority in American law.

  • 4 votes
#4.28 - Thu Mar 1, 2012 10:53 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Not, what is between the 2. It is what trumps the 2. The Bible & other cases judged accordingly.


nothing trumps the constitution in the rule of law as that document is the basis for all our laws...





  • 4 votes
#4.29 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 2:46 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

BottomLine, the HealthCare Act will be argued on the basis of health benefits. If the Constitution is mention, this will make this a slam dunk on behalf of the United States of America.

  • 5 votes
#4.30 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 9:45 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

BottomLine, the HealthCare Act will be argued on the basis of health benefits


wow.. you are very naive huh?

you seriously can not believe that....

your denial of the obvious is laughable


but then your shocked it is going to the supreme court to challenge the constitutionality... but still think the constitution has nothing to do with the case...

so.... the facts seem completely irrelevant to you....


and that is not really a shock either...


the only thing the supreme court will be concerned with is the constitution. and the constitutionality of that law... nothing else will matter.. that law will die

  • 4 votes
#4.31 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 10:32 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Kap'em,

Those 26 States & their radical Representative's threw that monkey wrench in the Argument.

The Constitution will be grounded out by the Health of the Nation.

Plus, there R more Physician's backing ObamaCare than against it.

  • 5 votes
#4.32 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 11:32 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Plus, there R more Physician's backing ObamaCare than against it.


what? that has nothing to do with the supreme court case..



The Constitution will be grounded out by the Health of the Nation.

you really have no clue what the supreme court is for, or how it works, do you?


let me give you a hint....


they only have one job... and that is to determine if laws are constitutional.

the supreme court could care less if some doctors or liberals like the law... that is not their concern.


  • 5 votes
#4.33 - Sun Mar 4, 2012 6:21 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

The doctor's know about this & R for it.

The HealthCare of the nation, I should have said the Welfare of the nation. It's in the constitution.

Well, this is an open & shut case. Because the government have 2C 2 the Welfare of the people. It's in the constitution.

  • 5 votes
#4.34 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:41 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays


The doctor's know about this & R for it.

you do not get the fact that only 20% of americans believe the mandate constitutional...

but "doctors are for it?

LOL

Just Click to Read that "only" 13% of doctors agree with their trade association's support of the health reform law.

your really out of the loop on this issue huh?

Well, this is an open & shut case.


ummmm nope!

if was open and shut case it would not be at the supreme court as they would have refused to hear an open and shut case... they do that all the time.

  • 4 votes
#4.35 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:29 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

as that law was written, with the typical negligence of the left, without a severance clause... there is a very good chance the whole 3000+ pages simply get trashed by the supreme court because the mandate is unconstitutional.

now that will be fun huh?

  • 4 votes
#4.36 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:40 AM EST
Man of Knowledge

A severance clause is not required to sever the minimum coverage requirement. Courts have a responsibility to maintain the intent of the legislature to the greatest extent possible. Several federal courts have already severed the minimum coverage requirement while leaving the rest of the law intact.

  • 1 vote
#4.37 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Courts have a responsibility to maintain the intent of the legislature to the greatest extent possible.

nope... it is not the supreme courts job to do the job of congress... care to try again?

A statute is severable only if it is clear that Congress would have intended the rest of the statute to function without the part that had been struck down. The Supreme Court has held that a statute is not severable (i.e. the entire statute must be struck down if one part is found unconstitutional), “if the balance of the legislation is incapable of functioning independently.” Alaska Airlines v. Brock, 480 U.S. 678, 684 (1987).

  • 5 votes
#4.38 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 12:09 PM EST
Man of Knowledge

nope... it is not the supreme courts job to do the job of congress... care to try again?

This statement confirms my point. The court cannot arbitrarily declare a complex law unconstitutional. It must determine what if any part of it is unconstitutional and address only that part of the law leaving the rest of the law standing.

  • 1 vote
#4.39 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 12:27 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

This statement confirms my point.

you so did not even read the post above huh?

cherry pick much?... LOL

does the following case law confirm your point?

A statute is severable only if it is clear that Congress would have intended the rest of the statute to function without the part that had been struck down. The Supreme Court has held that a statute is not severable (i.e. the entire statute must be struck down if one part is found unconstitutional), "if the balance of the legislation is incapable of functioning independently." Alaska Airlines v. Brock, 480 U.S. 678, 684 (1987).

we all know obamacare can not function without the mandate... this is not even a question.

off to the beach to go surfing.... will check back with you liberals later

Peace :)

  • 4 votes
#4.40 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 12:30 PM EST
Man of Knowledge

we all know obamacare can not function without the mandate... this is not even a question.

What about a health insurance exchange cannot function without a minimum coverage requirement?

What about electronic medical records requires minimum coverage?

The only things that rely on the minimum coverage requirement to function is the stipulation of guaranteed issue of insurance policies and premium pricing by community rating.

  • 2 votes
#4.41 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 12:49 PM EST
northern girl

Not having the mandate will lead to adverse selection, where people will only buy it once they need it.

http://healthinsurance.info/HISEL.HTM

When adverse selection occurs, the average expected cost of people in a plan is higher than the insurer planned. The insurer loses money. If the insurer then raises the premium, the higher premium causes relatively lower cost people to drop the policy, which pushes up the average cost of those remaining. The insurer loses money again and raises the premium again. Again, this forces lower cost people to drop out. This vicious cycle (sometimes called the "Premium Death Spiral") continues until only the highest cost people are left in the policy. Most people have then dropped out and are uninsured.

At first, one might think that adverse selection is just a problem for insurance companies because it causes them to lose money. However, adverse selection can cause problems for consumers as well when it causes them to be unable to get health insurance at fair prices. Adverse selection can be reduced by letting insurers set more accurate premiums by giving them more information or lifting restrictions on how premiums are set. However, this makes chronically-ill and high-risk people pay higher premiums.

  • 3 votes
#4.42 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:04 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I must confess I didn't finish reading this ridiculous post. However, I must say 2 the stuff U just put up that these actions will force the government 2 open Insurance Offices all across the United States.

  • 5 votes
#4.43 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:30 PM EST
northern girl

Im sorry you have such an issue with facts and legal terms. Its from the Consumer's Health Insurance Authority, and if you'd bother to follow the link, you might learn something. By refusing, you are proving that not only are you ignorant about how health insurance works, you CHOOSE to be that way. Silly as it is, I actually feel sorry for you, as you have no desire to "Get Smarter Here".

  • 5 votes
#4.44 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:41 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

By refusing, you are proving that not only are you ignorant about how health insurance works, you CHOOSE to be that way.

Agenda. Willful ignorance is sad.

  • 3 votes
#4.45 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:44 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Northern,

I finally finish reading your post. I didn't know U would get all bent out of shape , if I choose 2 read enough of your post 2 get the point. Which brings me back 2 my point there will be Government Insurance Offices opening from Sea 2 Shine---ing Sea. ( & the audience shall applause, that would be the citizens of the US, HAPPY 2 have Affordable Insurance )

  • 5 votes
#4.46 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 2:15 PM EST
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Beebobby

The GOTP doesn't want the govt. to tell you to get healthcare ins., but they do want the govt. to tell you that you must be vaginally probed. Makes sense, NOT!

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:03 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Is that backward or what?

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:49 PM EST
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Man of Knowledge

From the opinion of Judge Jeffrey Sutton writing for the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals regarding the Constitutionality of the minimum coverage requirement in the Affordable Care act in the case Thomas Moore v. Obama. One of the cases under consideration by the Supreme Court.

If Congress can require Americans to buy medical insurance today, what of tomorrow? Could it compel individuals to buy health care itself in the form of an annual check-up or for that matter a health-club membership? Could it require computer companies to sell medical-insurance policies in the open market in order to widen the asset pool available to pay insurance claims? And if Congress can do this in the healthcare field, what of other fields of commerce and other products?

These are good questions, but there are some answers. In most respects, a mandate to purchase health insurance does not parallel these other settings or markets. Regulating how citizens pay for what they already receive (health care), never quite know when they will need, and in the case of severe illnesses or emergencies generally will not be able to afford, has few (if any) parallels in modern life.

Not every intrusive law is an unconstitutionally intrusive law. And even the most powerful intuition about the meaning of the Constitution must be matched with a textual and enforceable theory of constitutional limits, and the activity/inactivity dichotomy does not work with respect to health insurance in many settings, if any of them. The very force of the intuition also helps to undo it, as one is left to wonder why the Commerce Clause does the work of establishing this limitation. Few doubt that Congress could pass an equally coercive law under its taxing power by imposing a healthcare tax on everyone and freeing them from the tax if they purchased health insurance. If Congress may engage in the same type of compelling/conscripting/commandeering of individuals to buy products under the taxing power, is it not strange that only the broadest of congressional powers carves out a limit on this same type of regulation?

Why construe the Constitution, moreover, to place this limitation—that citizens cannot be forced to buy insurance, vegetables, cars and so on—solely in a grant of power to Congress, as opposed to due process limitations on power with respect to all American legislative bodies? Few doubt that the States may require individuals to buy medical insurance, and indeed at least two of them have. See Mass. Gen. Laws 111M § 2; N.J. Stat. Ann. § 26:15-2. The same goes for a related and familiar mandate of the States—that most adults must purchase car insurance. Yet no court has invalidated these kinds of mandates under the Due Process Clause or any other liberty-based guarantee of the Constitution. That means one of two things: either compelled purchases of medical insurance are different from compelled purchases of other goods and services, or the States, even under plaintiffs' theory of the case, may compel purchases of insurance, vegetables, cars and so on. Sometimes an intuition is just an intuition.

For now, whatever else may be said about plaintiffs' activity/inactivity theory of commerce power, they have not shown that the individual mandate exceeds that power in all of its applications. Congress may apply the mandate in at least four settings: (1) to individuals who already have purchased insurance voluntarily and who want to maintain coverage, but who will be required to obtain more insurance in order to comply with the minimum-essential-coverage requirement; (2) to individuals who voluntarily obtained coverage but do not wish to be forced (at some indeterminate point in the future) to maintain it; (3) to individuals who live in States that already require them to obtain insurance and who may have to obtain more coverage to comply with the mandate or abide by other requirements of the Affordable Care Act; and (4) to individuals under 30, no matter where they live and no matter whether they have purchased health care before, who may satisfy the law by obtaining only catastrophic-care coverage. The valid application of the law to these groups of people suffices to uphold the law against this facial challenge.

http://aca-litigation.wikispaces.com/file/view/CA6+decision+%2806.29.11%29.pdf

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:24 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Thank U,

Man of Knowldge. I didn't have the time 2 day 2 read all 64 pages of the documents filed against President Obama's Administration. As soon as I have the time, I will read all of it.

  • 6 votes
#6.1 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:46 PM EST
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CaptainObviousSays

For example, in his opinion on U.S. v. Bond, Kennedy quoted the Supreme Court case New York v. U.S. (1992): "Federalism secures to citizens the liberties that derive from the diffusion of sovereign power." And then Justice Kennedy said, "[Federalism] protects the liberty of all persons within a state by ensuring that laws enacted in excess of delegated governmental power cannot direct or control their actions.... By denying any one government complete jurisdiction over all the concerns of public life, federalism protects the liberty of the individual from arbitrary power. When government acts in excess of its lawful powers, that liberty is at stake.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/did_the_supreme_court_tip_its_hand_on_obamacare.html#ixzz1oGK6F5ha

  • 3 votes
#7 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:55 AM EST
Man of Knowledge

Does a state have the power to force a citizen to purchase broccoli?

  • 2 votes
#7.1 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

sure... they made you buy auto insurance...

and people have the right to leave the state that mandates broccoli...

this is called voting with your feet "power to the people"

when the feds cross the line... people can not vote with their feet.

  • 4 votes
#7.2 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 12:01 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Kep'em U just keep making the case 4 the government.

1st of all the government isn't acting in excess of their lawful powers.

#2 the Constitution & the US Government were created 2 Protect the Welfare of it's citizens.

3rd the Government ( Congress or otherwise ) has the power 2 amend the Constitution. That means, let's say it together, make mandates! These Laws U & yes even the 1 & only must respect.

  • 5 votes
#7.3 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:52 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

1st of all the government isn't acting in excess of their lawful powers.

Please do show us the part of the US Constitution which says they have the power to do this.

  • 4 votes
#7.4 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 2:25 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

As U wish!

  • 5 votes
#7.5 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 2:29 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

As U wish!

Is the blank space at the end of this post the 'example' from the Constitution?

  • 3 votes
#7.6 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 2:32 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

Suddenly silence. These "wishes" sure do take a long time...

  • 3 votes
#7.7 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 3:14 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I was busy attending something else.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Pay close attention 2,

and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof;

  • 3 votes
#7.8 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:18 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof;

By this standard any law they write is constitutional and we know that's not true since past laws have been deemed unconstitutional and struck down.

This is a stretch at best; you took it completely out of context anyhow.

  • 3 votes
#7.9 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:32 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111Deleted
ReligiousWrong

From Article 1, Section 1 of the US Constitution:

"United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives"

See? Completely out of context and we all it's untrue. A random quote proves nothing.

and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof

This gives the Us the power 2 govern the states with laws that will achieve the purpose 4 which they were designed.

Again, context. It doesn't say anything of the sort.

  • 5 votes
#7.11 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:39 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

.[deleted by me]

  • 1 vote
#7.12 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 5:41 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

#7.9. Not so! As long as the Laws achieves the purpose 4 which it was intended & it 4 the Welfare of the people. It's Legal!!

  • 3 votes
#7.13 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 6:03 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

#7.10 was deleted by me. Phyllis-3324111

  • 3 votes
#7.14 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 6:06 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

ReligiousWrong I ask U only to pay close attention 2 that line. Read the entire quote.

  • 3 votes
#7.15 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 6:09 PM EST
CaptainObviousSays

As long as the Laws achieves the purpose 4 which it was intended & it 4 the Welfare of the people. It's Legal!!


that is so far out in left field it is hilarious....

and in this case "left field" is apropos as well

  • 4 votes
#7.16 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 8:02 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I thought we were talking about the Constitution & the HealthCare Mandate? Why R U talking baseball! Wrong analogy.

  • 3 votes
#7.17 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 9:40 AM EST
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ReligiousWrong

It all boils down to this:

You know what's good for me and will force me to do it.

PASS.

  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 1:04 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Keep on Passing. Until U Pass Out.

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 2:28 PM EST
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Papa's wisdom

As one who likes to conserve money, and one who has lived long enough to have had good things happen and unfortunately bad things happen in my life, I can only say that thank God health insurance was available to my family! The insurance companies will never ever get back from me the money they have paid out in claims. I never expected to need the insurance I bought just like those who think they have enough money to cover the bills. A mandate is constitutional and appropriate and surprisingly to many, it was in fact a Republican proposal in the beginning. Even Charles Grassley of Iowa is on tape supporting the mandate before it became a political football. If the government had the authority to draft you, they have the authority to mandate you buy health insurance! They mandate you also pay taxes so get over it, it's a great law and one which in the long run will save money and help or country be stronger. Obama 2012

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 3:09 PM EST
ReligiousWrong

If the government had the authority to draft you, they have the authority to mandate you buy health insurance!

How does one lead to the other? The constitution specifically says that Congress can "raise and support Armies". That has nothing to do with insurance.

I'll say it again: Please do show us the part of the US Constitution which says they have the power to do this.

raise and support Armies

  • 5 votes
#9.1 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 3:13 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I here U Papa's wisdom!

  • 3 votes
#9.2 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 4:45 PM EST
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Papa's wisdom

Obamacares!!!!! 2012

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 3:10 PM EST
saint cynthia

Tell them again

  • 1 vote
#10.1 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 4:39 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I here U saint cynthia.

  • 3 votes
#10.2 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 4:47 PM EST
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davinat

Hello everyone,

Interesting conversation you are having here. I have read quite a bit from the post about Healthcare. I think that anything for the people is not unconstitutional. In my opinion, as long as you have an option it is fine. As long as we are not being forced to choose the United States Healthcare plan, but also have the choice to choose Private Insurance.

  • 3 votes
Reply#11 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:45 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

davinat,

U Will have that option.

  • 3 votes
#11.1 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:07 PM EST
Man of Knowledge

There is no US health care insurance plan except Medicare/Medicaid, which most beneficiaries like. The rest is all private even for Federal employees.

  • 1 vote
#11.2 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 11:15 PM EST
Phyllis-3324111

I know but, I thought President Obama Also said U will have an option 2 choose a government insurance.

The Affordable Care Act builds a bridge to 2014 when a new competitive insurance marketplace will be established. The new marketplace will include state-run health insurance exchanges where millions of Americans and small businesses will be able to purchase affordable coverage, and have the same choices of insurance as Members of Congress.

  • 3 votes
#11.3 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 12:27 AM EST
Man of Knowledge

Phyllis-3324111

A state run insurance exchange is a market place for standardized insurance policies. Participants in the market place are insurance companies independent of the government. It is similar to a commodity exchange, or the stock market. To participate, insurance companies must meet standards established by the state and Federal government. In return they can sell policies to individuals who shop that market for health insurance.

The shoppers get a guarantee the policy will be issued to them regardless of their health status and priced based on the community in which they live, not on their personal health status. The policies will all be very similar (standardized by state and federal regulations) and clearly priced so the market will be more competitive than the current private market.

Anyone applying, whose family income is below 100% of the Federal Poverty Level automatically gets enrolled in Medicaid. Anyone whose family income is above that up to 400% of the Federal Poverty Level qualifies for income tax credits to support their purchase of a policy. The tax credits are calculated on a sliding scale based on family income and number of dependents. (That is the affordable part of the Affordable Care Act). Tax credits can be paid in advance to cover the cost of the policy or can be deducted from their periodic tax payments to the IRS. The purchaser of the policy is responsible for the difference in cost between the policy premium and the tax credit they receive.

  • 2 votes
#11.4 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 8:52 AM EST
Phyllis-3324111

Thanks 4 the info.

  • 3 votes
#11.5 - Tue Mar 6, 2012 9:49 AM EST
davinat

The world will prosper when people get off the every man for himself. Everyone needs insurance that will take care of the needs for the ill to live. RIP uncle, 02/28/2012. He had no insurance, but he had gallstones and liver cancer. His gallbladder was removed and he was sent home to die with liver cancer, in which he died in a matter of weeks. He was a painter and worked for a very small business that didn't provide insurance. Do you know how much private insurance cost? Well he couldn't afford it, but he didn't have to die?

True Story

  • 3 votes
#11.6 - Wed Mar 7, 2012 3:48 AM EST
CaptainObviousSays

Everyone needs insurance that will take care of the needs for the ill to live

bullchit...

people do not need insurance... they need healthcare...

single payer... or nothing... I am not going to let the feds tell me what to buy EVER!

liberals are against evil corporate influence in DC...

evil corporations used that influence to get that mandate passed...

making everyone a financial slave to the insurance companies....

and liberals love it? the hypocrisy is astounding....

  • 3 votes
#11.7 - Wed Mar 7, 2012 10:07 AM EST
davinat

Captain,

Haha bullchit.......

Why are people so angry? No one wants to pay to help others, yet it is acceptable to pay for war. It's ok to send Ameicans to slaughter and be slaughtered. Why must we have so many casualties to no healthcare, insurance or however you want to put it. Stop worrying about what may comeout of your pocket, it shows where your heart is.

  • 3 votes
#11.8 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:56 PM EDT
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dprice859

I think healthcare should be free because it's a necessity

  • 1 vote
Reply#12 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:05 AM EDT
Montel.Beatty

I agree with dprice859, healthcare should be free!

  • 1 vote
Reply#13 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:20 AM EDT
northern girl

Just a quick question. Who's gonna pay for this "free" health care? The 47% of Americans that pay NO federal income tax? After paying to go to school for 8 years, are doctors just going to give away their services? Are hospitals going to appear magically, even though there is no money to build them? Are nurses and lab workers going to donate their time?

Do you even realize how illogical your comment is?

  • 2 votes
#13.1 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:50 AM EDT
I'm Ringo

northern girl, you're just talking to a multiple of dprice859 there. The only real purpose seems to be to follow his/her other name around by a few minutes and cheer.

  • 2 votes
#13.2 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:35 AM EDT
northern girl

Kinda figured that. What are the odds of two people being that stupid? Oh, wait...never mind;)

  • 2 votes
#13.3 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:24 AM EDT
ReligiousWrong

I agree with dprice859(myself), healthcare should be free!

Free? Free. Nothing is free.

Translation: "I think someone else should pay for my healthcare"

..and there you have. Reality. Sad.

  • 3 votes
#13.4 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:42 PM EDT
Man of Knowledge

ReligiousWrong

Translation: "I think someone else should pay for my healthcare"

What makes you think anyone pays for their own health care? Health care is an inextricably communal enterprise and has always been so.

Health care is never free, but modern health care cannot be paid out of pocket, and old fashioned health care denied no one care based on ability to pay.

    #13.5 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:47 PM EDT
    ReligiousWrong

    What makes you think anyone pays for their own health care?

    The BILL.

    Mine goes to my house.

    • 1 vote
    #13.6 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:14 PM EDT
    Man of Knowledge

    That doesn't mean anything. The facilities you use, particularly for emergency care are publicly subsidized. The prices you pay are likely subsidized by public funding as well. Unless every doctor or facility your likely to need accepts only cash and does not accept Insurance payments, Medicare, Medicaid or any other public funding you are subsidizing the sick and the unable to pay.

      #13.7 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:05 PM EDT
      I'm Ringo

      northern, see below if you had any doubt.

      • 2 votes
      #13.8 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:05 PM EDT
      northern girl

      Wow! Sigh...

      • 1 vote
      #13.9 - Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:08 AM EDT
      ReligiousWrong

      #13.6 The BILL.

      Mine goes to my house.

      #13.7 That doesn't mean anything.

      I'm sure that in your mind it doesn't. Reality, however, dictates that I either pay the bill I receive or join the masses of the uninsured.

      It DOES mean something that I pay my own way. Your thinking that it doesn't is EXACTLY what's wrong with the US: Entitlement and and wanting things for free.

      Now, does some of what I pay go to cover the uninsured...of course it does. Does this somehow make ME the problem? Nope.

      • 1 vote
      #13.10 - Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:18 PM EDT
      Man of Knowledge

      ReligiousWrong

      Now, does some of what I pay go to cover the uninsured...of course it does. Does this somehow make ME the problem? Nope.

      I didn't say you were a problem, I said you don't pay for your own healthcare. One cannot have health care unless one has access to the goods and services that associate to health care. For example say you have a family physician. That physician would likely not be educated without public funding. They likely rely on Medicare and insurance at least in part for their practice to succeed. Medicare is directly funded by the public. Insurance pays hospitals for their beneficiaries care. What they pay and what premiums the collect are contingent upon the cost to pay hospital bills. Those costs are contingent upon having a significant number of patients on Medicare, and for other public funding. resources.

      Your family physician likely prescribes drugs that are developed with public funding.

      Your family physician likely uses are recommends devices that are developed with public funding.

      That just addresses a family physician.

      Say you are not on your own property and a medical emergency befalls you. Unless you can walk away from it or get someone else to carry you away you will have an ambulance dispatched to pick you up and carry you to an emergency room at a hospital. All of those services are publicly funded. And, if your not insured you will likely not be able to pay the bills and end up bankrupt and on the public dole for your care.

      Lets say you have health insurance. That insurance rests on a principle that you and all other beneficiaries contribute to a risk pool of fund used to pay the costs to beneficiaries who require care under the policy. Therefore anytime you have a claim paid, it is not just you paying it but all contributors to the risk pool.

      Health care funding is a complex web funding that cannot exist without communal support.

        #13.11 - Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:44 PM EDT
        ReligiousWrong

        I'm not here to argue the complexities of health care costs with you; I understand that it's a nasty web of public and private money.

        My point is that my figuratively "not paying" and someone who LITERALLY doesn't pay aren't the same thing. Additionally, the Fed should stay the hell out of it.

        • 2 votes
        #13.12 - Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:14 PM EDT
        Man of Knowledge

        ReligiousWrong

        Additionally, the Fed should stay the hell out of it.

        The Fed cannot stay the the hell out of it. They pay 42% of all medical costs. They (we) have a legitamate vested interest in lower cost and higher efficiency. Unreimbursed care affects everyone's cost, but the Federal government's more than anyone else. (Spending reduction?)

        The Fed has to pay the cost of health care for everyone over 65. All military and veterans. Plus about 70% of the cost for all Federal employees.

          #13.13 - Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:57 PM EDT
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          Montel.Beatty

          OK this is to Northern Girl, IM a 18 year old college student that is going to graduate and get a better high paying job than you, and since you think you know so much bout this topic, why wont you fix the d@$% problem then! Also im a leader not a follower, there is nothing wrong with agreeing with a person who is telling the truth!

          • 2 votes
          Reply#14 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:21 PM EDT
          dprice859

          @Montel Beatty Exactly, Now, to northern girl, Who are you to call somebody stupid when you doing all the name calling on the internet. You don't even know me! So please let's keep this simple and not call names. Thank you, goodbye.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#15 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:31 PM EDT
          Montel.Beatty

          Hey Northern Girl and Captain Crunch, since you two know so f#$%in much both of you can wipe your a$$es with that bulls#$# you talking! If im so stupid and you know so much then how come you can't change the problem with healthcare, so I think you should do as a wize man once said," Its better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth a become one!!

          • 2 votes
          Reply#16 - Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:41 PM EDT
          davinat

          Dprice859 and Monteal.Beaty,

          I do agree with ReligiousWrong, Free? Free. Nothing is free.

          Someone must pay for the healthcare. However, who cares if it is for a good cause. Here's a STUPID thought, The world is full of nothern girl's and I'm Ringo's. This is not about free healthcare, this is about helping those who can't help themselves. My employer offers healthcare to most positions, at what I consider to be too expensive. I barely use my healthcare insurance, but I will not get a refund of any unused portions. Where's that money? I made it an entire year of not using my insurance, give that to someone who needs it, oops that's illegal. Hmmm, why would I not want to contribute to someone with no healthcare and especially one who can't afford it. Well, maybe I have a heart.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#17 - Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:18 AM EDT
          Man of Knowledge

          davinat

          My employer offers healthcare to most positions, at what I consider to be too expensive. I barely use my healthcare insurance, but I will not get a refund of any unused portions.

          Insurance is a communal enterprise where cost risk is pooled so that those with high medical costs can pay their bills. It must be subsidized by people in the risk pool who use less than they pay in otherwise it doesn't do anything for anyone. If you want dollar for dollar service based on your use you may as well not have insurance. However, if you have a major health crisis you'll be damn glad they pay more than you put in.

          • 1 vote
          #17.1 - Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:38 AM EDT
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